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peneless

Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:01 am
by terri
Sorry it's taken me so long to get started. I downloaded it and then forgot about it.

Some questions:

1. It appears you need to give something to the eagle? Any idea what?

2. Does anyone have a list of verbs?

3. In the cave and the troll - typing HELP says he is colour blind. The canvas here? I can't sweem to do anything with it. Could be a sail? But is there a boat somewhere?

4. Seems to me one should do more here, before giving the groat to the creature - there is a lot to explore there. There may not be a way to leave.

5. The well - SWIM does no good.

6. There are lots of ways to die - are these just dead ends or does having something help?

Other than not being able to backspace, it looks promising.

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:18 pm
by terri
Soooo.... anyone make any more progress in this game?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:04 am
by terri
So... is anyone trying to solve this? I have explored what I can but can't get much further.
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Geoff and Doreen, where are you?

peneless

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:42 pm
by Doreen B
Hi Terri,

Sorry I have not been active in this forum for a while...

The nice weather we are having at the moment means that not much computing gets done and I play bowls most weekends and 2 evenings.

I have not done much more to this game - will get back to you sometime soon.

Doreen.

peneless

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:44 pm
by Doreen B
PENELESS


Start in Tunnel – I – nothing

N – 5% - E – U – E – D – E – E – S – GET MUSHROOM – N – W – W – W – CRAWL W – S – U – E – E – E – E – EXAM CHASM – EAT MUSHROOM – JUMP ACROSS – W – GET MAP – E – JUMP ACROSS – READ MAP – W – N – GET KEY – D – D – SE – DIG – GET GROAT – W – W – EXAM CREATURE – READ SIGN – GIVE GROAT TO CREATURE – ENTER LIFT – 13%

(base cliff) – N – E – E – N – EXAM WELL – (you can go down and hold breath to get a shovel – but a rope of some sort is needed to get back out of the well)

W – W – GET SPEAR – E – N – EXAM DOOR (rusty need oil?) – E – N – N – N – GET NECKLACE – N – N – N – (stone door how to open?)

W – U – GET FLASK – EXAM FLASK (poison?) – E – E – D – S – E – (can go down into pool - you need to hold breath here – go w – s – e – e – n – n – n – there is a gate here?)

Back up at the SE corner valley – E – U – N – N – N – N – (rodent?) E – S – GET RUSTY KEY – N – W – S – S – S – S – E – N – OPEN HATCH – D – N – (gate with lever?) – W – S – (bottle liquid? – how to take?)


THIS IS WHAT I HAVE MANAGED TO DO SO FAR.

Doreen[/img][/list]

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:23 am
by terri
Sorry it's been so long. I had to remap.

I did something different. After getting the key from the nest I did not pursue to get the map. What I did was get to the door at the cliff face (before giving the groat to the creature), and ate the mushroom there. This allowed me to break the door and go south to the room with the cloth which I got.

There is a troll to the sw, but even though HELP says he is colour blind, that doesn't help me.

After getting on the lift, I got the necklace. Then, after getting the spear and finding the rusty door, I got the necklace, and went to the hatch (which opens with the silver key, I think).

Before going down, I went south, then north, met a beautiful woman and gave her the necklace. Going south gives you random words and you can't get out (bug?).

Under the hatch, I found the bottle, which you cannot appear to take as it breaks when you trip. There is a gate there, with a lever behind it. Going back out, and going east, then south from the rodent (which I don't know what to do with) you get the rusty key. Take this key with you, as it unlocks the gate at the tunnel under the pool. This opens the gate, but when you enter it, it gets you back in the room with the random words which you cannot get out of.

The flask - when you drop it , it explodes harmlessly. Maybe you can drop it in that room? Or at the rusty door?

I haven't yet found a purpose for the cloth, the spear, or managed to get something to get the shovel out of the well. I wonder whether the shovel is needed at the debris.

What to do at the statue? How to get into the stone door? Maybe drop the flask here?

Have you explored everything in the pool? Are there other exits?

That's it for now. Have you found a use for the map?

peneless

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:59 pm
by Doreen B
still havn't found any use for map or got any further...

Will keep trying.

Doreen.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:58 am
by Alastair
First may I thank Doreen B with the tip on the pool, I had tried everything but the command DOWN.

Secondly, and more importantly, I had the same problem with the garbled room as Terri, it would seem that the Peneless download on WoS is corrupt. However I then tried the "Peneless + Toot 'n' Come in" compilation image:

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek ... =^Ivysoft$

so far, so good (and if that fails there is still the "Flights of Fantasy Vol 2" compilation).

As for game problems, in addition to the above I have found that you do not need a rope for the well as CLIMB WELL works both ways.

You can pick up the furry rodent after you have fed it and then use the rodent to solve another problem. You can also give the rodent to the eagle whereupon you can mount the eagle and the eagle will then take you to another location, but I feel this may be one of the later actions in the game as I could not make any progress in that location.

I still have no idea if the mushroom is used to break the door or to jump the gap, but the lady gave me a scarlet cloak that lets you past the troll. Beyond the troll there is a room with an axe.

Finally you can get past the vampire bats if you wait for nightfall, you then end up in a long tunnel that eventually takes you back to the mountain caves.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:40 am
by terri
Thanks for all those tips.

Re: the well: I seem to remember going down there, holding my breath, but don't remember what happened. I'll have to re-explore.

What did you feed the rodent with?

Getting the carlet cloak? Is this the lady you give the necklace to? Sometimes she is there sometimes not. So there are random elements here, as well as what appear to be useless objects.

So then you should be able to go back to the troll is some way?

peneless

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:28 pm
by Doreen B
Welcome Alastair,

Thanks for the tips on this game perhaps between the 3 of us this might be solved.

I will try the other downloads, thanks.

Doreen

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:04 pm
by Alastair
I forgot a step, after you have opened the hatch give the small key to the beautiful woman (not lady, my mistake), in return she will give you some food. Give this food to the rodent.

The woman gives you a cloak in exchange for the gold ring, and to get the ring you need the rodent and the shovel. First go down the well, hold your breath, go south (twice), take the shovel, go north (twice), and climb out of the well. Next go to the debris by the valley wall and dig, enter the tunnel and keep going until you reach the end, now drop the rodent then get all.

The mountain caves I mentioned above are the ones near the beginning that contain the troll's lair.

peneless

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:39 am
by Doreen B
o.k. this is what I have done so far...
PENELESS


Start in Tunnel – I – nothing

N – 5% - E – U – E – D – E – E – S – GET MUSHROOM – N – W – W – W – CRAWL W – S – U – E – E – E – E – EXAM CHASM – [EAT MUSHROOM – JUMP ACROSS – W – GET MAP – E – JUMP ACROSS - READ MAP – [is this right is the map important? |The mushroom can be used to break open the padlock in the caves where you can see a troll] – W – N – GET KEY – D – D – SE – DIG – GET GROAT – W – W – EXAM CREATURE – READ SIGN – GIVE GROAT TO CREATURE – ENTER LIFT – 13%

(base cliff) – N – E – E – N – EXAM WELL – D – S – HOLD BREATH – S – GET SHOVEL – N – N – CLIMB WELL
W – W – GET SPEAR – E – N – EXAM DOOR (rusty need oil?) – E – N – N – N – GET NECKLACE – N – N – N
W – U – GET FLASK – EXAM FLASK (poison?) – D – E – E - S – S – S – S – S – S – S - E – U – N – N – N – N – (see a rodent) E – S – GET RUSTY KEY – N – W – S – S – S – S – E – N – OPEN HATCH – D – N – W – S – (bottle liquid? – how to take?)
E – U – (if woman is here) GIVE NECKLACE TO WOMAN – GIVE KEY TO WOMAN (she brings food and drink) – GET FOOD – S – W – N – N – N – N – GIVE FOOD TO RODENT – GET RODENT – E – (rodent brings a sandstone) – GET STONE – GET RODENT – W – N – D – W – W – W – DIG DEBRIS – W – W – W – W – DROP RODENT (rodent brings you a ring from the pedestal) – GET RING – GET RODENT – E – NE – SE – E – E – E – E – U – S – S – S – S – E – (if woman is here ) GIVE RING TO WOMAN (she brings you a scarlet cloak) – W
D – W – N – N – N – N – N – N – E – EXAM POOL – D – W – HOLD BREATH – S – E – E – U – N – N – OPEN GATE – W – N – D – W – D (end path) –

E – E – S – (in cave with a painting of a large bird carrying a man) – N – N – N – W
W – N – NW – N – N – SE – GET SHELL – NW – (see a boat with a hole) – N – (on board boat with a serviceable mast sails?)

Back in the valley – with the bats room – WAIT (till night falls) – W – U – N – W – NW (you fall down a hole into a cool cave) – W – S – S – (by door and padlock – if you have not used the mushroom you can now use it) – EAT MUSHROOM – BREAK PADLOCK – S – GET CLOTH (are these sails?) – WEAR CLOAK – SW (troll room) -





Doreen

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:16 am
by terri
I too have got this far but without the map.

Going east after you get the rodent, there is a stone there.

So I can get the axe from the troll room, but then how to get out? You can give the rodent to the eagle, and he takes you to the tomb where there is a medallion, but how to get out.

I wonder whether the axe can make a mast for the boat by chopping a tree in the forest, but first I have to get back there. Or is the spear to be used as a mast?

The boat has a hole in it? How to mend it?

Anyone make any more progress?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:17 am
by Alastair
Some more things I have found, but first I suggest that you do not pick up the flask until such time as we work out what to do with it (it makes the drop all instruction easier).

Go to the statue in the valley then KNEEL - PRAY. Enter and follow the newly revealed tunnel and pull the lever, go south into the cellar and get the bottle. Leave the cellar via the tunnel. Go to the rusty iron door and POUR LIQUID ON DOOR - OPEN DOOR - W - GET ROPE. Note that the walls shimmer in daylight, at night a sign is revealed though you may need to leave and enter this room a couple of times to see the sign.

Once you have the rope go to the old bridge that spans a chasm at the edge of the forest DROP ALL - GET ROPE - S - S then proceed to the tree by the pool TIE ROPE TO TREE - BREAK TREE - GET ALL. Go back to the bridge but before crossing drop either the rope or log, cross the bridge, drop whatever you are carrying, then go back across the bridge to retrieve what you left behind. When you have safely returned across the bridge GET LOG (if you are not carrying it) then GET ALL (it is likely you will not be able to carry everything) NE - N - N - N - FIX BOAT and the reply is that you need something else, hammer and nails perhaps?

The shell on the beach can be used to summon the eagle (BLOW SHELL) though it may take some time, or perhaps several blows for the eagle to appear, BLOW SHELL once more and the eagle will land. If you climb on the eagle the shell will fall from your hands, so I still do not know how to escape the tomb.

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:08 am
by Alastair
Some thoughts:

The small key, rope, and rodent each have at least two uses, do other objects have more than one use?

I suppose the proper solution to the well problem is TIE ROPE TO WELL then use D and U, rather than CLIMB WELL.

Is there a way to illuminate the dark parts of the mountain caves?
Is there a key for the padlock to the troll's rooms?
The pool beyond the old bridge and over the hill, what is in it and can you get past?
The swamp in the same area, how do you get to the SW corner? If the answer is a raft see below.
The boar in the forest, just random sudden death or is there more to it?
What does "To the 'memory of ASGOTH', as near to God as a man could be" (the sign in the small room) signify?

If you chop the log with the axe from the troll's storeroom you get some small logs, typing MAKE RAFT is met with the reply "You do not have enough rope!" where do you get more rope, and how do you get from the troll's storeroom back to the swamp or pool if the raft is needed in that area?

More an irritation than a problem, the old bridge can take you and a limited inventory, but the limit is not a certain number of objects but rather a certain weight. Each object therefore has a weight, but how do you determine that weight? You can use trial and error to find out what combinations of objects you can take across but I would rather be able to work it out before setting foot on the bridge.

After tying the cloth to the mast with the rope, and thus losing the rope and cloth, typing SAIL BOAT gives the reply "The whole purpose of this adventure is to find Penelope. Now go and get her!" so presumably you must have Penelope with you before setting sail.